Good的Issue 59 March/April 2018目录

When we were deciding on a partner for the first Good People Awards, Ceres Organics was one of the first to spring to mind. We’ve been working with them since 2011 but they have been around a lot longer (since the 1980s!), doing a lot of good in New Zealand and across the globe. The birth of Ceres Organics can’t be pinned down as an exact moment. In an organic nutshell, its original founder Juliet setting up an organic food stall at a school fair, its director Noel throwing himself into a life-changing book. And its matriarch Rodnie bringing everyone together. These three trailblazers opened New Zealand’s first organic store, which eventually lead to Ceres Organics as you see it today: a company fuelled by a social mission for more…

@goodmagazinenz good.net.nz goodmag I’m going into my third year of an annual subscription to Good and I felt the need to pass on my thanks for how you make me feel. My magazine is literally a “pick me up” and I pick it up every so often and read a couple more pages to make it last until the next issue. There is always something that confirms I am on the right track, then inspires me to go on and try something different. On lacklustre days there will be some kind of motivation to remind me what simple pleasures are around me in nature and to appreciate every moment. Much appreciated. Heather Parnell After flicking through a glossy women’s mag filled with cosmetic and fashion ads, it was so refreshing…

Cordis Hotel’s dine-in restaurant Eight has just turned seven. It’s committed to using local produce and sustainably sourced seafood. The unique dining experience features eight interactive kitchens. cordishotels.com/en/auckland PurePods have added another pod high above Port Levy on Banks Peninsula. Guests at the Pohue PurePod glass eco-cabin feel like they are floating in the landscape – even the floor and ceiling are made of glass. purepods.com QT Museum Wellington’s eccentric art collection makes it an inspiring place to stay. Its central city location makes it walkable to the waterfront, bars and restaurants and Te Papa museum. qtwellington.com Mindful Moments Retreat A two-day retreat at Polynesian Spa, Rotorua (June 8-9) that guides you through mindfulness, meditation, nutrition and yoga workshops. Plus the time to indulge in spa therapy treatments. polynesianspa.co.nz Kauri Cliffs Celebrate Art!…

Coffee grounds (in moderate doses) are a healthy source of nutrients for your soil and are also great for deterring aphids. Simply mulch around your plants with your morning’s coffee leftovers. Two ways with strawberries Use an egg slicer to slice strawberries or kiwifruit for a pavlova. Another way to prep strawberries is to use a reusable stainless steel straw to push the stem and core out, instead of cutting the top of the strawberry off with a knife. This keeps the strawberry’s shape and creates less waste. Oatmeal bath Organic porridge oats make a wonderful skin softener when added to bath water. Cut some squares of muslin measuring approximately 20 x 20cm. Place a handful of oats together with some herb flowers, or a sprig or two of your…

It’s a Wednesday morning and I’m taking a break from the office - temporarily swapping my desk for a massage table. I’m lying face down, collecting my thoughts as I inhale the calming scent of Rock Rose that is diffusing in a bowl beneath me. The door softly closes behind my therapist, who asks me to leave my qualms outside the room for the duration of my treatment, before beginning to work a personalised blend of potent essential oils into and around the knots in my body. I wonder if she’ll comment on these areas of tension, where my recent stress has physically manifested itself. At present, they feel glaringly obvious. But I am not alone. Whether it is from looming deadlines, financial or domestic troubles, heartbreak, or working longer…

The first time I tasted Emerson’s was at the BrewNZ 2008 awards in Wellington and it was my introduction to the world of craft beer. The brewery won so many awards that night it was impossible not to take note that something truly exciting was coming out of Dunedin. Emerson’s has been making craft beer in the deep south since 1992. Back then, when founder Richard Emerson first started, there were only 50 of his ilk in New Zealand – today there are almost 200. There’s no doubt many brewers around the country were inspired by this young brewer whose keenly honed palate led him to start making beer in his mother’s Dunedin kitchen. It was a trip to Edinburgh with his parents at age 18 that exposed Emerson to…

Recently, a friend pulled out one of her make-up brushes to ask me why it was not giving her the results she wanted. She just couldn’t get it to blend her eyeshadow properly. I looked at the brush and gasped – it had been reduced to a stubby mess, with fibres sticking out haphazardly. What was once a nice, fluffy brush had been reduced to a chewed-up mess. When I asked her what she had been cleaning it with, she replied, “Cleaning it?!” There are a couple of important reasons to look after your make-up brushes. Firstly, if you invest in good quality brushes, which I highly recommend, you want them to last forever – and they will, if you take care of them. The second reason, and arguably the…

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A minimalist bedroom Our bedroom is too small to house more furniture than the bed and two round wicker stools that we use as bedside tables. There’s a small sliding wardrobe for our clothes (mostly on hangers) and a few shelves for footwear. When we first moved in, I was worried about where everything would go, but in hindsight, the tiny room has been a blessing in disguise. It inspired us to create a light, airy and uncluttered space, perfect in its simplicity. It’s the room in which I feel the most relaxed and calm, and I believe it’s because it has so little in it. Rest Sleep is a wonderful thing. We spend a third of our lives doing it and it’s essential for the healing of our bodies…

Cosy cashmere Knowing the providence of a product can make it even more special. These luxurious cashmere blankets are made in Nepal at Helping Hands by skilled deaf, blind and disabled young people who are supported by this business. The cashmere is brushed from mountain goats in Nepal, then spun and handcrafted on looms in Pokhara. Each one unique and they’re so incredibly soft that you’ll want to snuggle into them forever. See online directory on page 109 for more. A sense of luxury Nothing beats beautiful linen when it comes to slipping between the sheets and you will sleep even better knowing your House of March bed linen is made from Fairtrade certified organic cotton. The range includes divine duvets, sheet sets and pillow cases, all Formaldehyde-free, naturally. BRING…

01 Mammoth Nelson Pinot Noir 2015 $69 Michael Glover is on a mission to prove that New Zealand wine doesn’t have to fit the same pigeonholes, and his private-release, tiny-production Mammoth Pinot Noir is a tour-de-force unlike any other pinot being made possibly anywhere in the world. Described by Joelle Thomson as “an iron fist in a velvet glove”, I reckon this has the potential to become a new modern New Zealand classic. 02 Caiarossa Pergolaia Toscana IGT 2011 $39 Owned by the same family and with the same winemaking team as prestigious Bordeaux estates Château Giscours and Château Du Tertre, Caiarossa’s motto is “The luxury of nature”: winemaking finesse meets sustainable, minimal-intervention production. A Tuscan producer who work with very small yields from their estate in Riparbella, and they’re…

Kombucha, sauerkraut, coconut yoghurt, probiotics, prebiotics, …There’s a healthy buzz that’s flying around that is going to be here for a while. It’s the world of the human microbiome. Estimates state we have 10 times more bacterial cells living in our body than human cells, which begs the question, who’s carrying who around? Are we just a block of flats for bacteria? The truth of the matter is it’s most likely a highly synergistic relationship – we provide a home and resources for the bacteria and in return they make specific chemicals we need, even making vitamins and actually protecting us from more pathogenic species of bacteria. There is a complex interplay between our immune system and the bacteria living in our intestines, plus the bacteria can turn on and…

Here are five quick and extremely practical ways to prepare for your week. Note: I’m not suggesting you do all of these. You might pick the one or two items on my list you’re most interested in. Or, you can use my ideas as a spark for generating your own. 1. Create 10 minutes of free time. Each Sunday I do 10 minutes of a “Monday” task. I then allow myself to recoup the benefits by having 10 minutes of chill out time on a Monday. For example, last weekend I sold an item on eBay and needed to mail it on Monday. On Sunday, I printed the postage, packaged it up ready to go, and put it at my front door. Since Mondays are incredibly busy for many people,…

@belleandsage @teniellegillieshair @eleanorozich Emma Peters Good’s cover make-up artist and beauty columnist Emma Peters’ passion for transforming people with make-up goes back to her childhood in the 1980s, after being inspired watching music videos. Now, after a long career in film, TV, fashion and media, Emma runs online conscious beauty store Belle & Sage, selling high-end natural and organic make-up and beauty products. In 2018, Emma predicts a big beauty trend will be beauty supplements to help skin glow. Eleanor Ozich Eleanor Ozich is a best-selling author, photographer and mother. Since starting a blog four years ago she has built a following of loyal readers, who look forward to her daily musings, recipes and ideas for a life less complicated. A self-taught cook, Eleanor grew up around her parents’ restaurant…

Events and festivals set to make autumn awesome. WOMAD MARCH 16-18, NEW PLYMOUTH Enjoy artists from across the world over three days of music, arts and dance. womad.co.nz Auckland Arts Festival MARCH 8-25, AUCKLAND New music, events and locations for New Zealand’s biggest annual arts party. aucklandfestival.co.nz CubaDupa MARCH 24-25, WELLINGTON Samba sounds, brass beats, street opera and dance workshops. cubadupa.co.nz The Big Hoot MARCH 3 – MAY 13, AUCKLAND 47 bespoke owl sculptures raise funds for Child Cancer Foundation. thebighoot.co.nz New Zealand Festival FEBRUARY 23 – MARCH 18, WELLINGTON Our largest celebration of cutting-edge culture. The 2018 theme is journeys. festival.co.nz New Zealand Coffee Festival MARCH 24, AUCKLAND Get your fix at this event paying homage to our vibrant coffee scene. nzcoffeefestival.co.nz Homegrown APRIL 7, WELLINGTON Another stellar Kiwi…

Maple water Necta Maple Water, $4, is 100 per cent pure organic sap tapped directly from maple trees. Rich in antioxidants with naturally occurring electrolytes it’s also incredibly hydrating. Flavours include Cranberry & Blueberry. matakanasuperfoods.com More sparkle Sparkling water just got more sparkling. Vista flavoured sparkling water, $3.50, contains carbonated water and natural flavour derived from fruit, which means it has no sugar and less than one calorie per can. Flavours: Feijoa, Berry and Lemon. vistadrinks.co.nz Brewed soda Soda Brewery has four brewed sodas with all the flavour but half the sugar of a standard soft drink. Flavours are Ginger, Lemons, Lime and Grapefruit and come in packs of 10 for $20. Read more on page 40. sodabrewery.co.nz…

Hanging Kokedama By Coraleigh Parker, Murdoch Books, $45 With 25 easy projects to follow, learn all about the Japanese art of creating pot-less suspended plants, known as kokedama, from New Zealand’s string garden pioneer, botanist Coraleigh Parker. Brewed By Jules van Costello, Potton & Burton, $40 Brewed is the revised, ultimate guide to beers and breweries in New Zealand. This new edition features 45 new breweries, with revised tasting notes for more than 450 beers. Strength in Stillness By Bob Roth, Simon & Schuster, $23 Personal meditation coach Bob Roth shares his definitive guide to meditation for healing stress and anxiety. Coach to some of Hollywood’s elite, including Oprah Winfrey, Strength in Stillness teaches simple steps to use transcendental meditation. Mindful Magic By Karen McDermott, Making Magic Happen Academy, $27…

Lavender Lavandula angustifolia; Arguably the most famous and wellstudied essential oils, wonderful for calming the nervous system, lowering heart rate, blood pressure and skin temperature. Bergamot Citrus bergamia; Traditionally used in Indian folk medicine with clinical studies showing it reduces heart rates and alleviates stress and anxiety. Cypress Cupressus sempervirens; Known as the “oil of transition” especially painful major change. Often planted around graveyards as a symbol of grief and source of solace. A terrain remedy and rebalancing nervine. Spikenard Nardostachys jatamansi; Known in biblical times as Nard oil, it was highly prized on many levels not least its calming action on the central nervous system. Ylang Ylang Cananga odorata; Extracted from the flower of a tropical tree in Southeast Asia, used to lower blood pressure. Neroli Citrus aurantium var…

oda Brewery’s newly launched range of craft brewed sodas brings new meaning to the term mindful drinking. When pouring one of these sodas into a glass for the first time you realise these are grown-up drinks that will see you through parties or thirst-quenching moments in a delicious as well as clear-headed manner and they won’t leave you bloated or buzzing out from a sugar overload. A foaming head forms at the top of glass (like beer but not as frothy) which nods to the word “brewery” in Soda Brewery’s name. By using brewing techniques to create the sodas, co-founders and soda enthusiasts James Hurman and Chris Paykel have managed to create soft drinks with a more complex flavour, greater depth and dimension, and a fuller and richer mouthfeel. And…

Foundation brush This is not essential, especially if you’re using a BB cream or really light foundation. But a brush finish is far superior for fullercoverage foundation or a powder product. Fluffy eyeshadow blending brush Essential for getting a well-blended application (never think you can blend your eyeshadow with your fingers and get away with it!). Angle brush This brush is ideal for getting right into the lash line to apply an eyeshadow as an eyeliner, and also to blend your eye pencil. Powder brush For an even, smooth complexion, use this brush to buff in powder. Perfect for both setting your foundation and taking away any excess shine. Blush brush This can be used with powder blush or with a densely pigmented cream product. It can also be used…

A Walking the Street Art Trail is a good way to see the city. Local and visiting artists have brightened up the city in recent years with more than 28 quality murals. One of our favourites is Song Bird Pipe Organ on Manse St. Download the map at dunedinnz.com B Enter the heat of the tropics at Otago Museum where butterflies from the Philippines flutter about you. The heated rainforest atrium is part of a rainforest conservation awareness programme and home to a protected butterfly species that is being actively managed to ensure a sustained population. The Otago Museum is also home to a state-of-the-art planetarium. otagomuseum.nz C Chocolate is synonymous with Dunedin because of the Cadbury factory. However, there’s a new chocolate on the block called Ocho that’s bean-to-bar…

Chamomile and Lemon Pillow Spray This blend of chamomile and lemon essential oils is both refreshing and soothing. Mist it on to your body as a light fragrance or spray it on to your pillow for a restful sleep. Lavender and rose essential oils also make for a lovely, calming combination. · 40ml witch hazel · 200ml distilled water · 10 drops chamomile essential oil · 5 drops lemon essential oil Pour all the ingredients into a small dark-coloured spray bottle. Shake gently to combine before using. Makes 250ml. Warm Apple Cider with Spices This is a warm, golden drink for a cold winter’s evening. Orange peel, star anise, cinnamon and honey combine in a warming glass of goodness. You’ll be delighted to find it fills the home with a beautiful aroma, too. · 2 cups water · 4 tbsp…

Growing up, my dad and I were members of the Royal Forest and Bird Protection Society. We would attend meetings and go on nature excursions; I’d always have my little binoculars at the ready for getting a closer look at a tūi or tauhou (wax-eye). I guess living on a remote island and being surrounded by native birds was my normal – I now realise how lucky I was. From the front deck of our house we would see and hear all kinds of birds. I learned from a young age to recognise their different sounds and names. On family bush walks we would see kererū (wood pigeons) getting drunk off puriri berries and have pīwakawaka (fantail) fly right up to us. The ruru (morepork) call was a sound we…

New Zealand Salmon, Seaweed and Avocado Poke Bowl I fell in love with poke bowls on my first visit to Hawaii. We have such amazing produce in New Zealand and this poke bowl is the perfect combination of fresh stress-busting ingredients. Fresh New Zealand salmon is my favourite variety of fish. It is also loaded with omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA, which are thought to play a role in your emotional wellbeing. Seaweed not only works perfectly with salmon, but has its own stress-busting properties as it’s a great source of magnesium and tryptophan. Serves 4 400g sashimi-grade New Zealand salmon3 tbsp soy sauce1 tsp rice wine vinegar1 tsp sesame oil½ tsp honey2 spring onions, sliced thinly1 tbsp sesame seeds, toasted1 cup cooked quinoa2 cups chopped kale1 large ripe…

You can make these three delicious chocolates using simple kitchen tools. Vegan and gluten-free, they are perfect for entertaining or to give as a special gift for a friend or loved one. Start with a quality plain Fairtrade dark chocolate that has a high level of cocoa solids (50% or more). I used a mix of various Whittaker’s dark chocolates. Create a simple double boiler by placing a stainless-steel bowl over a medium-sized pot. Pour several cups of water into the pot, making sure the water does not touch the bottom of the bowl. For an extra fancy touch, decorate some using edible gold paint. Handmade box Stiff white cardRuler, pencil and eraserSharp scissors or stanley knifeDouble-sided tape Cut the card to shape, as pictured, using sharp scissors or ruler…

If you’re like me, you came to the end of 2017 feeling slightly overwhelmed and a little exhausted. Our modern lives have many amazing benefits but with these benefits can come day-to-day stressors. Cortisol, aka the stress hormone, is what is released during times of stress. To better understand how an overload of cortisol can negatively impact your health, it helps to understand what happens in the body when cortisol is released. When we encounter a perceived threat, your brain sets off an alarm system. Your adrenal glands release a surge of hormones. These include adrenaline and cortisol. The body is built to quickly return hormone levels to normal once the perceived threat is gone. But in the modern age, for many of us, the perceived threat is always present.…

recreatestore.co.nz Boutique streetwear designed in New Zealand and made in Cambodia under excellent working conditions, providing training and employment for marginalised people. ReCreate is ethical, organic, sustainable clothing that transforms lives. plantae.co.nz An ode to New Zealand’s flora and fauna, Plantae’s fully organic skincare captures our deep love and respect for our land, waterways and people. Their range of products nourish and enrich the skin, while protecting the environment. lovethatroams.co.nz Love that Roams bags, quilts and accessories are bursting with colour and heritage, beautifully handmade, and embedded with generations of tradition. Each piece possesses a distinct tale from India - with each stitch spirited and rich in culture. topdhg.co.nz The hero ingredient in TOPDHG’s moisturising cream is goat’s milk, which has a pH level similar to that of humans, and…

I don’t know about you but it’s about this time of year when I feel the pressure dial of life turning up. When I shared this with a friend they told me about Kelly McGonigal’s TED Talk ‘How to make stress your friend’. McGonigal tells us how stress is not all bad, in fact it can actually be good for us – it’s our attitude to it that can make a difference. Studies show that when you change your mind about stress, you can alter your body’s response to it. This has turned my thinking around and I definitely feel better for it. To find out more about this see Natalie Cyra’s story ‘The Other Side of Stress’ on page 28. Of course if you’re already frazzled it is important…

WATCH THIS livingforchangefilm.com Change makers Inspiring documentary Living For Change brings a message of hope when it premieres on March 1. Local filmmakers Antoinette Wilson and Jordan Osmond take a sobering look at what’s happening to our planet but they have also found and filmed couples, families and individuals around New Zealand who are creating positive change. These include former financial trader Andrew Martin who has a thriving permaculture property in the Bay of Plenty that attracts interest and visitors from around the world; Robert and Robyn Guyton who have created a huge, luscious forest-garden in Riverton; and Frank van Steensel and Josje Neerincx who have developed a piece of patchy land into an eco-farm in the Wairarapa that provides weekly bags of organic fruit and vegetables for 150 people.…

For a photo gallery with more of your fantastic summer snaps, head to good.net.nz WE HAVE A WINNER Congratulations Sandra Worthington on your winning photograph taken at Cathedral Caves in the Catlins on a beautiful summer morning. You have won a Nude by Nature prize pack which includes their Deep Shadows Smoky Eye Essentials kit valued at $97.90 as well as their Natural Beauty Good for you Complexion Set valued at $157.60.…

Shawn Seipler was just another American corporate working for an e-commerce technology company. As a frequent business flyer he was used to travelling from his base in Florida and staying in hotels across the United States several days a week. “One evening I was in Minneapolis on business and after a shower I had this thought and immediately called the front desk. I asked them what they did with the soap once I checked out of my room. They informed me they threw it away,” says Seipler. More than three million bars of partially used soap are discarded from hotels worldwide every day. The idea that the soap was consistently being wasted got Seipler thinking. He did some research to see if it was possible for soap to be safely…

It sometimes feels we are living at such a fast pace that the need to get things done in record time is at an all-time high. Pair this with more traffic on the roads and an increased awareness of climate change and conscious living, and it’s no wonder e-bikes have become a real revolution in recent years. Imagine getting to work in half the time it normally takes (goodbye peak hour congestion), or running errands sans car – and minus hefty petrol bills, too. This is what tens of thousands of Kiwis and millions of others around the world are now opting for – simply getting things done on two wheels. The latest Electric Bike Worldwide Report states there are 200 million e-bikes around the world, and predicts this will…

Soak away your stress Having a bath is a great stress buster and adding salts helps remove surface impurities and cleanse the skin. Arbonne Rescue & Renew Detox Bath Soak, $66, ticks these boxes with quick dissolving sea salt crystals and turmeric root extract. arbonne.com For your lady bits Soap-free and formulated to a natural healthy pH balance to support the skin’s defences, Savar’s new Safe & Gentle Fem Wash, $24.50, assists in keeping the vagina area happy and healthy by offering protection from infections, inflammations and odours. Formulated for sensitive skin. savaronline.com A spritz of sunshine Lush’s fragrance collection has received a makeover with 15 new perfumes added to the range. Each is made from essential oils. Names include Love, All Good Things, The Smell of the Weather Turning,…

There are few scenes as idyllic as luxuriating in an outdoor tub in the middle of the South African bush, G&T in hand, listening to the cacophony of birdsong and stridulating insects floating through the valley at dusk. For Samantha and William Mellor, this calming ritual is the essence of Cabine du Cap, their weekend bolthole hidden away in the bush surrounds of the Western Cape’s Klein Karoo. Immersed among rugged tufts of indigenous plants and undulating uninhabited landscape as far as the eye can see, the bath scene resembles something out of a Sydney Pollack movie. “It all started with a dream to have an outdoor tub,” says Samantha, who carefully planned the placement of their open-air custom galvanised steel bath: just close enough to the edge of their…

I first started making nut milks after meeting my husband, who has a dairy intolerance. He always joked his situation was amusing given he grew up on a dairy farm and milked cows, yet could never enjoy his efforts. I’ve come to love making nut milks for drinking because they are so delicious – and I love, too, that they are full of goodness. This chocolate version is divine. I have to stop myself from drinking the lot in one sitting. Homemade Chocolate Coffee Hazelnut Mocha Serves 2 1 cup hazelnuts (soaked overnight in water)2 cups filtered water¼ cup cacao powder (we used Ceres Organics)6 dates2 pinches of vanilla bean powdera shot of coffee (we used Nespresso), optional Place the drained, soaked hazelnuts in a blender along with the rest…

The island of Mindanao is known as the ‘food basket’ of the Philippines. Eight of the top 10 agri-commodities exported from the Philippines come from the island including Dole pineapples. The farm that grows the pineapples, known as Dolefil, is celebrating its 55th anniversary in the Philippines this year. Dole’s pineapple plantations cover 24,000 hectares on Mindanao near the city of General Santos. Seedlings are grown under lab conditions for four weeks, then split and planted into pots of ground coconut shell used as a growing medium. They are then transferred to the nurseries to allow the root structures to develop before transplanting. Some of the pineapples are also propagated from the heads of mature pineapple plants. When the crowns are removed Dole takes the best specimens and replants them…

Life can be tough sometimes – for everyone. It is not always full of beautiful sunrises or perfect yoga poses. Not everything goes according to plan. Nor does every big idea we have result in a thunderous applause or success. Everyday life is raw and real and isn’t always easy, or perfect, all the time for everyone. Only dogs appear happy most of the time. Tough times can occur in all kinds of areas: career, health, personal relationships to financial issues. In a crisis, you can fall down - freeze in fear, feel sorry for yourself, embrace “woe-is-me” and feel defeated. Or you can “fall up”. The latter, is when you look at opportunities instead of what you lost and work at moving positively forwards to thrive. By the way,…

Omega 3 A diet rich in essential fatty acids such as Omega 3, or fish oil, has been known to support the psychological aspects of stress, brain nutrition and shown in studies to help with the cortisol balance. Magnesium The mineral to support mood and body balance thereby helping with natural relaxation. When deficient, our body can tell as our irritability levels increase and muscle function can be affected, as well as sleeping being fitful. B Vitamin Complex There are nine essential water soluble B vitamins that we need every day that are vital for mood, energy and stress response and other actions that can help us deal with stress better, such as sleep and blood sugar balance. These are often best found in a complex and they also balance…